Fallen Angel…
Between You and David Di Sabatino
David Di Sabatino
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June 30 at 11:35pm
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If anyone feels comfortable, I am trying to get ahold of DVD copies of FRISBEE and FALLEN ANGEL. I am reluctant to give $ to the person who made them, but I want to see them for myself. PM me if you can, thanks!
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LOL… you’re funny…
dd
Kevin Wayne
July 1 at 1:03pm
Your quite the comedian yourself… al that nonsense about Norman having signed artists just so he can waylay them. Except it’s not really funny. And has been thoroughly responded to.
David Di Sabatino
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July 1 at 1:12pm
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And where are you getting your information from, friend?
Just making it up?
dd
Kevin Wayne
July 1 at 1:41pm
Read my response- it’s on the Candaian Christianity website you posted- Sources cited. Plus a longer response was offered by another poster.
David Di Sabatino
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July 1 at 1:42pm
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No thanks…
Like I said, you know not of what you speak. You are some crazed fan who can’t deal with the fact that the guy on your pedestal was a liar.
Deal with it, man. He was all that and more. And God still used him.
dd
Kevin Wayne
July 1 at 4:13pm
Then next time, correctly state the name of Ron Salsbury’s old band (“Ron Salsbury & JC Power Outlet”) and point out the fact that the music on the Patano-Salsbury album was different, which was most likely the reason for why it wasn’t well received, and admit that LN did in fact continue to put out new music past 2000, and other details you left out, and I’ll believe you’re not some opportunistic hack filmmaker who actually did his research and isn’t talking out his rear with only half the facts in a Michael Mooresque attempt to tell one side of the story. Your call. Be fair or stop your cry-babying over those who point out your own shortcomings (who btw, happen to include non Larry Norman fans.)
David Di Sabatino
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July 1 at 7:13pm
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Wah… poor Larry… wah… waaaaaahhhh….
Get lost.
Kevin Wayne
July 1 at 7:16pm
David: Grow up! :>
David Di Sabatino
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July 1 at 7:29pm
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Grow up?
You are going around spouting off about stuff you have absolutely no clue about…and you think you know.
You are clueless.
You have no idea about whom you are speaking about. None.
dd
Kevin Wayne
July 1 at 7:45pm
Really? Gosh I guess I must not be able to read album covers. Coulda sworn I saw that Ron Salsbury’s name was on all the JCPO’s albums and on the one he did as a duet with Pantano. Must have been an illusion! And the point about the music being different? I must have been stoned when I heard the album I guess? Except that the public including record reviewers all thought the same thing. I must have imagined those less than favorable comments by C-Stone & Campus Life. Oh, and those CD’s that came out in the 90’s: Stranded In Babylon, Tourniquet, Copper Wires, A Moment In Time – almost all with new material- I guess they really didn’t exist? (Except that when it’s corn-venient to the point you want to make, you mentioned Tourniquet in your discussion with Donnie Gosset!) Furthermore, why do you care to even bother writing me? Or Donnie? Or anyone else who disagrees with you? Threatened? Have we hit too close to home?
And btw, next time you want to talk about Church leaders and charges of their shorcomings, interview them yourself. The fact that Chuck Smith and John Wimber didn’t get to say anything in your Frisbee film shows you have NO journalistic integrtiy whatever. You don’t even know the meaning of the word.
David Di Sabatino
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July 1 at 7:57pm
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Why do I bother writing you?
Because you are writing scads and scads of nonsensical emails every time that an article comes out like you think it matters to anyone. And it amuses me to no end to see that you think what you write matters.
Hitting a nerve? Kevin…are you really under the delusion that I or anyone else reads what you write?
You must be to write all that you do. Nobody cares, man. I delete it without reading it most times, especially if it is long. I suspect most people do the same.
Get a grip, man… a grip.
dd
Kevin Wayne
July 1 at 8:01pm
OF course you do! You have no rebuttal to the information I’ve included and don’t wish your followers to wise up and see this charade for what it is. So you delete things without reply. Obviously YOU do care – you are wasting your time talking to this “guy whom nobody cares what he says” 😉
Keep talking. I love the way you are diggging a hole for yourself :>
David Di Sabatino
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July 1 at 10:14pm
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Well, on one hand… that is very true… there is no rebuttal for someone that has no idea what they’re talking about.
And you seem to think that because I am answering you this means, what?… that you are getting through to me… that I am bothered by what you are doing?
You’re the man, Kevin…takes some interesting rationalization to believe that.
A grip… a grip… for God’s sake… get one.
dd
Kevin Wayne
July 2 at 1:58pm
Say it with me David: the Correct name of the band was RON SALISBURY AND JC POWER OUTLET. Since you obviously know so much about what you are talking about 😉
Kevin Wayne
July 2 at 1:59pm
Sp: Salsbury
David Di Sabatino
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July 2 at 2:12pm
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You might want to check the spelling of his last name.
You don’t even have that correct.
dd
Kevin Wayne
July 2 at 2:22pm
I DID CHECK IT- look at the correction I gave above ^^^ plus I had his name correct in post #6 & 9. It was the auto correct on my Mac that thinks Salisbury is the correct spelling! Nice try, though 😉
David Di Sabatino
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July 2 at 3:38pm
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So, you think that my entire story about Larry changing the band’s name from JC Power Outlet to Pantano-Salsbury is uprooted because you found out what… that they were actually Ron Salsbury and JC Power Outlet?
What sense does this make?
You seem to believe that Larry was acting aboveboard.
If there is a successful band, and they already are well established… why change the name? Wouldn’t it have made some prudent sense to continue the band as JC Power Outlet? so that they can capitalize on their former success?
Instead, he changes the name.
And he does this because they were popular. This way, it can look to people like yourself that think that he was acting above reproach like he was helping them. But to the people that were really there and understood that everything that Larry did had double and triple meanings… they began to see that he wasn’t exactly looking out for the band’s best interest.
You need to think about these things some more.
dd
Kevin Wayne
July 2 at 4:54pm
No, I know exactly what your logic is, and what it is you are trying to say.
Reread my comments- I posted them on Canadian Christianity- and one other person actually offered more info than I did- not so much about JCPO but about a lot of other stuff you said in that article. Yes, I pointed out that I know who Pantano-Salsbury was due to Ron’s name being in the band (seeing the album reviewed in Cornerstone magazine as a teenager back in the day.) But there was a LOT MORE that I referred to. I pointed out that according to One-way.org, RS&JCPO was disbanded before going to Solid Rock. If they didn’t have all the band members on the “Hit the Switch” album, then why call themselves by the same name? If the music is obviously aimed at a different audience, why call themselves JC Power Outlet? And I pointed out that the reviews weren’t that great- Cornerstone mislabeled it “Christian Disco.” Campus Life magazine was kinda ho-hum about it in their review- can’t remember if Steven Lawhead was still writing record reviews for the magazine by this time or not. I think he was.
Many of us checked out anything that said “Larry Norman Presents” on it and that was released on the Solid Rock label. IF he wanted to deep six them, then he should have had Myrrh or someone else release it and not have his name on the front! I in fact borrowed the copy of P/S I heard from someone else and although it had it’s moments, decided to pass on it.
What does this tell you?
1) I knew who Pantano-Salsbury was so changing the name didn’t totally hide who they were.
2) I was motivated to check them out based on their association with Norman/Solid Rock –which helped them get attention.
3) Their record wasn’t that great to begin with, so I didn’t buy it.
I don’t care if he had emblazoned Ron Salsbury & JC Power outlet in big gold letters on the front of the LP! I wasn’t into it since I didn’t think it was worth what- $8 we were paying for albums by then? DeGarmo & Key was of a similar vein to Pantano-Salsbury and they blew their doors off! Those 1st two albums I liked and I bought.
I know exactly what you are saying, that ain’t all that hard to figure out. You think Larry change the name to derail their success since obviously the fans of RS&JCPO wouldn’t be as likely to know who they were.
I am saying I think it came down to only one thing:
The album kinda sucked!
David Di Sabatino
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July 2 at 5:15pm
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If you think that album sucked, who was the guy that oversaw it…and who was the guy that put it out?
If it sucked so bad…and he was standing there… doesn’t that lead you to some sort of conclusion that perhaps what I am saying has some merit?
Too, just because you knew who Salsbury and Pantano did, didn’t mean that others did.
JC Power Outlet was a very popular band in the early Jesus music era. Why not capitalize on their former glories? Ron was the leader of the band, so just because two members did not come with them, so what? He and John were the main guys. And it was those two that Larry curried to come to Solid Rock.
Too, this is the testimony of the guys in some of those bands, that Larry derailed careers.
I think you should respect their testimonies a little bit more… and maybe rely less on whether what you thought as a singular fan has any relevance to this discussion.
You don’t know. That is why you rely on those that do. And since I am the only one of us that has talked with people who were there, what is it that you are going on about?
Like I said… who is listening to you? Do you think the fact that I am answering you here is for any other reason than for you to stop being such an ignoramus. Friend… how can you speak about things you know nothing about?
Be quiet.
dd
Kevin Wayne
July 2 at 7:59pm
OK maybe “sucked” is a little to harsh. I think Solid Rock gave Pantano-Salsbury the most polished album of their careers, but the writing was a bit weak- and could have focused more on up tempo tunes. And you know as well as I do that there were several publications- CCM, Cornerstone that would have talked it up as THE album we should all listen to if it was good enough. A producer and label can only do so much, and if you are saying LN was responsible for why it wasn’t a great album, then maybe he should have told them “sorry guys, this thing ain’t hittin’ the streets until you get with it” -???
Then you would have said he was a baddy-baddy for not releasing the album at all!
As it was, it made about as much sense for them to call themselves RS& JCPO as it would be for Paul McCartney to call a band he formed with his wife “The Beatles!”
Different music- different styles- different band members- different intended audience. Therefore it makes sense to use a different name.
And you know- that’s your opinion and this is mine. You got the interviews and I didn’t- but that hardly makes you above the propensity to skew things a certain way, or we should just believe the media every time they show a documentary on something as gospel just because “we weren’t there.” Most people think it’s showing good judgement to squint at the things we are being shown on TV or film.
Besides- it appears that some individuals- are telling a different story than the one you are relating. Denny Fridkin of People! for example. Interview he gave on the link I posted- sounds like night and day from what you related. Somethings fishy here.!
David Di Sabatino
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July 2 at 10:14pm
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And you know- that’s your opinion and this is mine. You got the interviews and I didn’t- but that hardly makes you above the propensity to skew things a certain way,
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Let’s stop it right there… if the people that were there are saying these things, what is your deal that you wouldn’t believe them.
friend… give it a rest. i didn’t make this up. i am just relaying what these people said.
unless you were there or have information from someone that was… what are you going on about
as for Denny, what are you talking about? the editor of the piece in Canadian Christianity made the mistake of labeling the guy I spoke with who “never liked Larry” as Denny when he should have said it was another guy.
Denny emailed me. I emailed the editor. the editor made the change and apologized.
Simple as that.
And yet here again you are going off like a lunatic about something you know nothing about.
dd
Kevin Wayne
July 3 at 3:13pm
How about you cease and desist as well from your mis-caricature of Larry Norman fans who disagree with you? I don’t think it’s fair AT ALL for you to continually insist that we don’t see a single flaw in the man. As an example, I think most of us who have taken the time to look into it think Daniel is “probably” his son. It’s no big secret he was divorced and remarried and to whom. We know as well that he dragged his butt on releases & CD reissues by both himself and other artists. I just go by what Ed McTaggart told me when i saw him on the Alarma! tour back in the day: “Larry is just too busy and to slow.” I also have talked to promoters who worked with him and other bands who shared the stage with him. I heard some stories about some rather puzzling rudeness. My point is – and I think I can speak for all of us Larry fans- we know as well that sometimes it’s the people who are most pissed off at us that can be the most jaded, and not always fair. And we also know that a man is not the sum total of his faults. And there’s ALWAYS more than 1 valid way of looking at things.
As an example- I stayed at Jesus People in Chicago in 1979 and apparently Rez Band had just previously done a concert with Larry. Some of the JPUSA residents didn’t seem to think much of him, and talked mostly about his jokes and stage antics- they didn’t think those were becoming of a Christian musician, I guess. Upon reflection, I’d have to say what I was told about is just down to personal opinion and your own judgment of how far humor should go. I heard “He’s up there shakin’ & dancin’ like Elvis Presley.” I think he was just too radical for them! IMHO, it all depends on who’s telling the story. As an another example: the difference between Robbie and Denny of People! – and how they recalled Larry.
Ironically enough- one of the things I always questioned- his supposed influence and connection with secular artists -you yourself validated (the Pete Townsend and U2 thing.) I have heard other validations as well from other sources about artists who liked his music – obviously Frank Black and Dizzy Reed are good examples.
I remember reading on the larrynorman.com website that he had gone to Greenbelt one year and they got their undies in a bunch over him openly talking about Jesus from the stage. I went “huh???” Then I heard from 2 sources- a friend who lives in Europe (and promoted concerts that LN was a part of) and another friend who has been to Greenbelt and heard everyone talking about that very event.
Point is, I didn’t buy his version of events until I heard corroboration. That’s hardly someone who can’t handle him having flaws, is it?
Anyhoo- I don’t think it’s fair of you to ask me to stop offering alternate interpretations of events such as the Pantano-Salsbury thing anymore than I have any say in what you put in your movies. But I think it’s fair to say that I’ll try and offer my alternate opinions on why things happened and do my own footwork in talking to some of the people involved- I’m considering to do that -in a less strident and “lunatic” (as you call it) way. I’ll just say it’s my own damn opinion, fwiw. But I really, REALLY think it’s also fair for us to ask you to stop tagging some of us who disagree with you with such a broad brush. That isn’t going to make ANY of us listen to you, and we are part of the “public” you would like to take notice of your work.
I’m sure you know of the story of Mike Warnke – how C-stone brought him down and then JPUSA who published Cornerstone Magazine got in hot water themselves. The “exposer” got exposed themselves. I dunno. Makes me wanna season my words with some grace so’s I don’t have to eat them afterwards.
David Di Sabatino
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July 3 at 4:53pm
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kevin,
i don’t have any problem with people disagreeing with me. i am a little beyond that i hope.
i don’t think that when his fans come and say to me, “Well, he wasn’t so bad” or “there are always two sides to every story” or “well, that’s good ole Larry for you”… that they really grasp the reality of this story.
you have every right to offer opinion, but that opinion should be a lot closer to reality before you should get to offer it. and I don’t think you are as close as you think you are. you are still wanting to make it sound like some of the things that he did were innocuous or just him being a jerk, when what they really were were a longstanding cycle of really despicable behavior that bordered on evil. so much so that you have to wonder whether he even understood or had any connection with the very things he was singing about.
to me, having a kid out of wedlock is really not that big a deal. but totally neglecting him? and then, (as we just recently found out) that he wrote it into his will that while Michael got 50% of Larry’s estate, this illegitimate child was earmarked as having been given only 1%… and that was in the case that he proved paternity.
this is pretty contemptible behavior. and it reveals that this man was not living out the things that he said he was.
for you to just cover over that as if it is no big deal…that is a problem. it is then that i do and will say that his fans are rubes. because they are faced with this evil, and they are intent on calling it something other than what it is. and that bugs me.
i also think that you don’t really understand what went on at Solid Rock with the behind the scenes stuff. larry was never aboveboard, and he told story after story about his time there that just was not true. when the fans, again, tell me that they are taking larry seriously for the things that he said when there is all this evidence and testimony pointing to the fact that he was a pathological liar…then I also have a problem with those people. because it says to me they are not really listening to things carefully. they are wanting to somehow salvage larry in some way… see something good in him…find alternative ways of explaining… and there really isn’t any alternative way of explaining it.
this wasn’t a good man. not even in the slightest.
i talked with the people that knew him. you were a fan, and so was i… but when i started listening to the people who had the unfortunate reality to deal with larry, it was a terrible thing to listen to that stuff.
so when you start nitpicking about Pantano-Salsbury or the Denny thing (which, by the way, I noticed that you didn’t comment on… funny how we stop talking about those things once we get exposed for being a loudmouth doofus) or a hundred other little things… you are missing the point, again. You missed it while he was here, seeing through his charade… and now, you are continuing to try to salvage a guy who anyone in their right mind can see was an absolute horror show.
so, yeah, go ahead… do your own research… but listen to when people tell you he was a bastard. listen closely to those voices and stop yelling at them for telling the truth.
I will tell you this again. You do NOT know the first thing about Larry Norman. And trust me, if those people do confide in you, you are going to hear some horrible things. LISTEN. STOP TALKING.
dd
Kevin Wayne
July 6 at 5:37pm
David- that’ the thing that so “endearing” about you- this thing:
“the Denny thing (which, by the way, I noticed that you didn’t comment on… funny how we stop talking about those things once we get exposed for being a loudmouth doofus)”
-this is just your attempt at relegating your opposition to dunce cap territory so you can feel justified in ignoring some very important -and I think legitimate- things people are bringing up.
Correction: you DO have a problem with those who disagree with you. According to you, none of us could possibly have a point, or know what we are talking about! No one is right about all of this but you!
I gotta admit- for a gadfly whom nobody listens to as you say I am, you sure seem to be very interested in shutting me up! Why? Are you not confident that you’ve done a good job & that in time you will be vindicated? Or are you saying “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain?”
Can I point out something very obvious? Larry isn’t here to respond to anything you’ve leveled at him. He doesn’t even get the courtesy Mike Warnke or JPUSA had of being told of their sin to their faces. The only one who’s around for us to take issue with this, and get to the bottom of whether not any wrong was done is YOU. We’re pointing things out and questioning you because you are here! The other stuff is in God’s hands now and he’s the only one I think that should be leveling judgments against a solitary soul that he owns!
And you still have yet to deal with the fact that more than just us poor naive Larry Norman fans have serious questions about you and your motives and methods, and that was resoundingly clear on Phoenix Preacher!
Allow me to quote from your own very words as was cited by OC Weekly:
“‘Larry, your career is in the toilet. You are playing concerts to 100 diehard fans in your own back yard. Let me tell your story in such a way as to rehabilitate you. You are going to have to admit to some stuff . . . but do it, take your lumps, and people will respond favorably.’”
You were going to rehabilitate this man in the public eye? A man you would have me believe is Adolf Norman??? How is that being responsible? And you expect me to believe that you are just a simple honest filmmaker reporting the news? You even ADMIT that documentary making is all about telling the side of the story to produce the effect you want to achieve!
I have no legitimate way of knowing if you really were notified by Denny, or if you saw you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar regarding things that myself and others were bringing up, and thus moved to cover up your tracks. Might I point that I wasn’t the one who brought up the point about Denny Fridkin at all? It was another respondent on Canadian Christianity. Might I also point out that his testimony contradicts two claims of yours: that it wasn’t known that Larry was a Christian by other members of People!, and that he was “kicked out” of the band. In fact, Denny verified that Scientology was the source of the differences that led to them parting ways. Now of course, you will say other band members disagree, but that simply illustrates the point that you don’t want us reminding you of: there are always 2 sides to each story!
And you have the nerve to tell me to stop talking & start listening?
As a side note, have you considered Scientology’s reputation as far as they way they treat dissenters? Google the words “Scientology character assassination” sometime. Can you tell me with a straight face you know for a fact that those in People! who tell an alternate account from Larry aren’t similarly motivated?
Furthermore, I have to question some of the terminology you use in describing things important to the case you want to make: “JC Power Outlet was big”, you tell me. Reality check: NONE of this stuff was anything more than cult status, and was anywhere close to being Michael Jackson mega-platinum success. (I doubt Larry has ever seen anything close to a Gold Record except for possibly People!’s one-hit single. So let’s just take your scenario at face value for the sake of argument: Pantano & Salsbury were part of this BIG band called JC Power Outlet and unwittingly got signed to the Evil Kingdom of Solid Rock under the grip of the Dark Lord of Christian Rock, Larry Norman. So after one album which was very polished compared to their past out put, and showed some great potential, albeit not a particularly great recording, Pantano & Salsbury are FINISHED, never to be heard from again, playing right into the web of Larry’s godless schemes!
If they were so BIG and the potential was there, why couldn’t they move over to another label? Why not reunite as Ron Salsbury and JC Power Outlet themselves and get back in the saddle? ONE bad album deep sixed an entire career? A career that was otherwise on it’s way up with only the sky as the limit, as you seem to be implying?
Worse is they way you seem to think that your view is the obvious, only possible conclusion, you don’t even seem to admit that most people would come to the opposite conclusion about Pantano-Salsbury based on the most readily obvious thing: we friggin’ didn’t like the damn thing that much!
And as a side note to all of this, I got the same Yahoo group email you did re the 1% thing in the will for Daniel and all I gotta say is: Jesus told an enquirer who asked him to settle an inheritance dispute with his brother “Who appointed me to be a judge or arbiter over you?” I guess I have no taste whatsoever for the way all of this has seemed to focus on money- which is evident in Andrew’s motivations no matter WHAT he tires to say to the contrary. On the other hand, I see that there’s an attorney in Oregon seeking a DNA test, and I can only wish Daniel the best if he is indeed Larry’s son. I can only hope he doesn’t grow up like the people who have surrounded him for most of his life so far.
I’m going to get off your case about all of this, but I will point out one other thing: I’m not just interested in your credibility regarding telling the truth about Larry, but the Lonnie Frisbee documentary as well. Allow me to quote from you one more time:
“Too… how many people got so bent out of shape because the doc said that both Chuck Smith and John Wimber pushed Lonnie out of their lives. With Wimber it is obvious. With Chuck, Sr., I think he protests that because he allowed Lonnie to come back later on. While I don’t think it was as grievous as Wimber’s dismissal, I think there was a clear message sent to Lonnie that he was never going to fit in. Why, for instance, was Lonnie never ordained by Calvary Chapel but had to seek ordination from another organization someone else?”
Hello? Lonnie Frisbee was in sin and you expect Calvary to ordain him? Wimber showed a long history of trusting people who were of less than sterling character! Doesn’t surprise me he ordained Frisbee- remember the Kansas City Prophets thing?
But to get to my point: David, put your money where your mouth is.
Get an interview with Chuck Smith and have him respond to things you have said. Get someone who speaks on John Wimber’s behalf in the Vineyard to do the same. Re-cut FRISBEE with the new interviews. I dare you! Put an end to your scenario of good guys vs. bad guys and give us balanced journalism, and you might find people are less hard on you about all of this.
Because I know for a fact that Lonnie had nothing to do with the growth of any church. John Courson went to Oregon at Chuck Smiths’ behest, and founded a church that I am quite familiar with. Where was Lonnie? Not needed, it’s the Lord who builds his church. But don’t forget, it was the “Apostle” -using the term loosely- that was set apart by God to do the work.
David Di Sabatino
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July 6 at 5:44pm
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Kevin… I have no time to spend explaining anymore.
I didn’t read this long letter.
I don’t really read much of what you offer.
But I did try.
ciao,
dd
Kevin Wayne
July 6 at 6:17pm
David- it’s not rocket science. All I”m saying comes down to this: Present both sides! Thats’ not to much to ask.
David Di Sabatino
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July 6 at 6:27pm
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Kevin,
you don’t even know what both sides are…how can you be the judge of whether i presented them or not.
you know little about this guy that you are devoted to. he did a good job of hiding his tracks. i wish he was around to answer some of these charges. it’d be interesting to hear him try and bluff his way through this stuff.
ciao,
dd
Kevin Wayne
July 6 at 6:32pm
I mean not only in regards to Larry but the Frisbee/Calvary thing and EVRYTHING. Yeah it’s obvious you aren’t reading anything I’ve said. We’re talking past each other right now. Ciao.
David Di Sabatino
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July 6 at 6:52pm
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Dude, you aren’t capable of making those kinds of arguments.
You aren’t astute enough.
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Kevin Wayne
July 6 at 6:56pm
LOL Okaaaayyyyy- There ya go. You’re smarter than every1 else. Duly noted.
David Di Sabatino
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July 6 at 7:29pm
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You can’t even understand a simple email.
I wasn’t making comparisons.
But you have done no investigation… no homework… you haven’t talked to anyone. And yet, you are adamant that you know.
And now you are speaking about the Lonnie project as well.
How is it that everyone who knows better than me has done no investigation whatsoever? It is amazing to me.
Not much other conclusion to draw then is there?
dd
Kevin Wayne
July 6 at 7:34pm
OK then, let’s get to the end of that long-winded email of mine and we’ll make it simple:
Interview Chuck Smith & a rep from Vineyard who speaks on Wimber’s behalf. Re-cut FRISBEE with those included.
This will do 2 things:
1) Tell the other side of the story
2) Include a testimony from those who were there and actually are more astute than EITHER of us.
Sounds resonable to me.
David Di Sabatino
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July 6 at 7:37pm
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Kevin… that would make it your movie. Not mine.
Again, you seem to not understand that both Chuck Jr. and Kenn Gulliksen were there in the beginnings… and neither of them are pro-CC or pro-Vineyard… but they were about the only ones to tell the truth.
But you keep telling yourself all of this… because you know…
Good for you.
dd